Episode 16,


Keir A. Lieber, Daryl Press & Paul Bracken

Candidate Trump said that, as President, opponents should never know whether or not he would use nuclear weapons adding uncertainty to Nuclear deterrence.

Next time, an Unthinkable Edition of Truth Politics and Power. Candidate Trump vowed to put America's nuclear forces back at the top of the pack, and a Strategic Weapons reviewthat's underway comes as new technology upends one of the principal tenets of deterrence: for the first time, small nuclear arsenals may be vulnerable to a first strike, even if they're protected in hardened shelters, even if they're mobile. Host Neal Conan talks with Keir Lieberman and Daryl Press, the authors of a paper that describes how advances in technology combine to undermine deterrence and about a case in point: North Korea. Paul Bracken, the author of The Second Nuclear age, concludes that we're about to enter a new nuclear arms race with a president who trumpets unpredictability.


Keir A Lieber and Darryl Press are co-authors of an article in International Security magazine, “The New Era of Counterforce: Technological Change and the Future of Nuclear Deterrence.” 





Keir A. Lieber is Associate Professor in the Edmund A. Walsh School of Foreign Service and holds a joint appointment in the Department of Government at Georgetown University and was selected as member of the inaugural class of Andrew Carnegie Fellows. He’s the author of War and the Engineers: the Primacy of Politics Over Technology.





Daryl G. Press  is Associate Professor in the Department of Government at Dartmouth College. He’s the author of Calculating Credibility: How Leaders Assess Military Threats. He has also served as a consultant to the Department of Defense and the RAND Corporation.


Paul Bracken is a professor of Political Science and Business at Yale University. He is a leading expert in global competition and the strategic application of technology in business and defense and the author of The Command and Control of Nuclear Forces and The Second Nuclear Age: Strategy, Danger, and the New Power Politics